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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2016.11.27 20:47:08 -
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Gavascon wrote:i disagree with you on the point where you say it is a necessity for a pilot to be able to leave a war dec'd corp. here's why: i'd like to think that any given pilot joins a corp for a reason - there's a common goal, for example. that pilot should stay for good times and bad times. which now generates the question: "were they loyal to the corporation or to themselves?" if they leave, i tend to think that pilot is thinking of themselves, not the whole. that pilot can still log in - but stay in station where it's safe or just not log in for a week. CCP isn't effected because subs are paid monthly, quarterly, semi-annually or annually or subs are paid with plex. the game isn't really effected either if 1 pilot doesn't log in for a week. a true allegience to a corp would be created by not allowing pilots to leave his/her corp during a war.
let's say an alliance has 10 corps with a total of 500 pilots. corp a (with 50 pilots) leaves the alliance. corp a takes the war with them. corp a cannot escape the war. why should any of the 50 pilots escape by dropping?
if said pilot(s) go to an npc corp - only the pilot(s) should be affected. not the entire npc corp. is logical.....corp a cannot escape war. neither should any of their 50 pilots.
furthermore, think of the imbalance between the cost of a war dec vs the cost of starting a new corporation. years ago that imbalance was slight (2 mil to dec a corp. 1.5 mil to start one). now it's huge. one possible deterrent to corp hopping could be to raise the cost of creating a corporation from 1.5 mil to 50 mil.
I don't think it is necessarily an issue of loyalty. There are plenty of situations where it makes much more sense for a loyal player to drop Corp when a wardec occurs; and continue working for the Corp/Alliance in highsec during the war.
However, characters should be able to drop, simply because wars can be declared against anyone at any moment in time. From a defending Corps perspective, most wars declared against them are completely arbitrary. They have nothing against the attacking Corp/Alliance and are just going about their gameplan when a war comes in that will require them to change what they are doing.
I am all for wars being declarable at any point, but in that situation, there needs to be an out for characters.
The alternative would be to restrict the arbitrary way in which wars are declared, but I personally think that would be a step in the wrong direction.
However, even limiting an individual characters ability to drop Corp wouldn't work. By necessity that would also require stopping a CEOs ability to kick characters out of Corp, otherwise that would just become the work around anyway. Can't drop? Ask CEO to kick and then rejoin later on.
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2016.11.27 23:20:06 -
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Jennifer Starblaze wrote:You will find many corps that lure in new players, without ever telling them about wars. I have seen quite a few alphas over the last couple of days who joined corps that even had wars running at it seemed like the recruiter never mentioned anything like that. I think this is also a good example of why dropping Corp, while crap and frustrating for wardeccers, needs to be there under any changes too.
Looking at it from the flip side, if you couldn't drop Corp during a war, wardec Corps could adjust their tactics to get perfect Intel on targets, by creating carebear corps with the specific aim to wardec them. Create a Corp, recruit, permawardec and maintain Intel on all targets constantly. Nothing that anyone could do.
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Posted - 2016.11.28 01:45:31 -
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The Devils Cousin wrote:aww the poor little griefer now can't use off grid boosting n is now complaining cause people don't want to be killed non stop by idiots so they leave the corp and you want to war dec NPC corps
Are you out of your mind?
Go play wow u noob What?
This can't be a serious post, surely.
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Posted - 2016.11.28 11:33:30 -
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Dahlia Samar wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:
I don't need to prove anything, but if a mercenary corporation does wardec your mining corp, it probably has nothing to do with being 'manly', and everything to do with who hired them to dec you. Maybe it was another mining corp that doesn't like the competition you present.
You are coming at this from an emotional approach, not a rational one. You are doing little more than getting mad, and throwing a tantrum. This does absolutely nothing for your 'cause', and everything to invite people to come and do exactly what you suggest, and wring as many tears from you as possible, regardless of your opinion of their 'manliness'. I recommend you calm down, and get a grip on reality.
I have no idea where you got the impression that I was in any way mad let alone 'throwing a tantrum' or being overly emotional. Your previous two posts have a bit of butthurt and spite in them.
However up to this point, the discussion in the thread has been pretty reasonable all around. Hopefully it stays that way.
Wardecs are in the game and are always likely to be. From a players perspective it's worth discussing how the current system could be changed to improve the experience, without sperging on anyone or any group.
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Posted - 2016.11.28 17:40:40 -
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The Devils Cousin wrote:I also don't care how you respond to it ... Real pvp pilots LIKE MYSELF pvp in low/null, we attack pilots who are trying equally as hard to kill us, what we do is RISK VS REWARD
What you do is their risk of undocking vs your reward of looting their ships
You are not mercs
I am ex REAL MC. I flew under Selenee, you, are griefers, end of story ... Ive never died to a griefer because I am not stupid enough to join a corp in high sec
Your noobs, end of. People who yell the loudest, often have the last worth listening to.
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Posted - 2016.11.28 19:32:20 -
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The Devils Cousin wrote:As I said, bitter little griefers who can't use link alts and are now getting there asses handed to them
go go
love it,
your tears on here, the hatred, the sarcasm, gives me more than enough reason to keep posting Why can't links be used exactly?
There is nothing about the boosting changes that prevents hem being used at all.
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Posted - 2016.11.28 19:47:32 -
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Lasisha Mishi wrote: random idea to make defenders want to defend
idea from FW when you kill an attacker from corp who war dec'd you. you get LP based on what ship it was (like in FW)
only applies for the defenders.....as otherwise high sec gankers would just continue to war dec everyone.
good idea? maybe not....but its an idea to encourage defenders. and thus make attackers 2nd guess if they want to dec war as they don't get LP for killing, and the enemy will actually be encouraged to fight back
One of the more original ideas to be posted, however thinking of ways this could be exploited, how do you stop it becoming an LP farm?
Based on what is outlined so far, it would be possible to make an alt Corp, use that Corp to wardec the main Corp and then farm LP all day.
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Posted - 2016.11.28 20:04:04 -
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Lasisha Mishi wrote:same way as you do in FW
the isk to LP ratio is less than the LP earned from the ship
and LP you get is based off the ship. not entirely sure the exact numbers, but it works out in the end for FW without being exploitable (bit like ship insurance and bounty payouts. what you get is less than ship's worth) It's an interesting idea (but I'm no game designer) and would be worth a thread in F&I to look at it more and calculate some example LP rewards based on some war reports.
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Posted - 2016.11.29 09:39:05 -
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Dracvlad wrote:do you have anything that proves it was deliberate? How about the fact that it is actually like that? Pretty good evidence that CCP meant it that way given the way is designed, coded, tested and refined.
It has to be pretty deliberate to create the code for the software. Programmers don't make the logic up as they go.
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Posted - 2016.11.29 11:36:06 -
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Dracvlad wrote:I asked for proof that they deliberately did that to penalise aggressors which is what Ima Wreckyou suggested, because it sounded from what you said and from checking that link that they programmed a delay for 24 hours initially on the ally, but changed it to four for obvious reasons, which makes my sloppy logic suggestion more likely, because they never programmed the check for the original war dec start time. Just who is looking dumb now numb-nuts, this confirms that my feeling that it was sloppy logic is more likely to be correct because with the orginal 24 delay there was no need to do that check, which does not surprise me! Oh god.
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